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I do not believe that the two venues can be compared hence i do not understand the backward move

Mike Voges

Not going to happen I'm afraid.  

I come after work and don't have place to store booze there. So thanks - that's going to mean a "dry" meeting - which is a terrifying thought for an introvert who can only barely handle social events with a glass in hand.

C'est la vie.  Guess I won't be going to many more meetings.  

Will this be an interim thing, if so one might want to investigate the fellows at the Observatory Bowling Club, If memory serves me correctly Nomads and Odysseus do have their meetings there. There is a licenced bar and braai facilities are available.

Use it, don't use it. 

works for me.

I can pick some wet stuff from tops on my way down.

If you would like me to get something for you clal me.

Why don't we have a open vote on the forum instead of being prescribed to.As far as I know most members liked the new venue.Lets make good use of the thumbs up or down button I say.

At the moment the back-change does not make sense to me.

I am bit unclear on who actually complained - did some of our own members complain or did the people from the Goodwood club complain?

And what was the complaint(s) about?

Distance? noise? alcohol? parking? Numbers attending? Disturbance in the club building? Fees?

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Can you send dirctions Dave for those like me who thought Parow was in the Free State

If I was Jacques or Warren I would feel insulted. They spent lots of time around organising this venue,it has a braai area, a legal bar and it is central for most.It also seems that some of the committee members were not privy to the decision to relocate back to the old venue.Perhaps being located in Goodwood is the problem for some!

Map

Would you be so kind in posting the complaints you’ve  received, NO need for names.

This will allow me to understand why we are moving backwards.

I think an open vote as suggested by some other members would be a very good idea.

As far as I'm aware the club normally has a policy of “Majority Rules”

Thanks Trevor and the rest,

I am just as flabbergasted as the rest of you guys. I prepared pages full of response but luckily my lovely wife Marida taught me to" think before you ink." So, I went for a 5 km run and on my return, pressed the delete button..

Yes Trevor I feel a bit K@K over what happened but there I can do nothing about.

The only thing I feel I must inform the country members who have signed on and paid for, is that the GSC will only honor their country membership until the GSC's next AGM which will be held in Sept 2014. At present the full membership fees are R380 per anum which might increase at the next AGM

The agreement between the BMWMCCC and GSC was that to qualify for country membership, our BMWMCCC had to at least enroll 30 BMWMCCC members as country members. At the first meeting 45 members enrolled  which was prepaid for by our club and during the course of the following meetings, the membership went up to 60 who joined as country members and was paid by themselves.. These member's membership are now being jeopordised with the new arrangements and they will have to sort this out on their own.

On the rest, I prefer to keep my mouth shut.

See you all at the next meeting.

Jacques.

Thumbs up for the present venu. Or Thumbs down.

As a 20yr member of the GSC and being there on a daily basis, I have never heard of any complaint from any of the GSC members or committee against the BMWMCCC. I am on a daily close contact with the GSC committee and they were absolutely happy with our presence. No one from our club have registered any complaints with me or the GSC management. So, I also do not know where the secret complaints came from.

They are flabbergasted by the suggestion of so many complaints which necessitated this drastic change.

I can't believe a group of intelligent people got together and voted that moving back to some dive would be in the best interest of the club. It seems like this is an attempt discredit some of the good work that was previously done and not sure why.  You should be building on the foundation not destroying it.

So we are going to be paying more club fees for less.  Less is not more, more is MORE.

Dave it would be nice if you actually responded this time instead of just ignoring it as in previous posts.

The only way I can thumbs up or thumbs down, is to  first know the reason for the change. Simply voting on the quality of the venue is not the issue --- there is no comparason, chalk and cheese. We should vote for what the issue is about . . . the move, once we know the reason. 

This thread has been going for days now, and still we do not know what the reason is. 

The longer the reason is withheld, the more suspicious the members of our club will become. If there is good reason to change, then say so and any reasonable person would agree...

Mon 2014/06/23 10:40 AM

RE : Monthly Meeting Venue 

Chairman 

I hereby lodge an official complaint regarding our meeting venue. 

The conditions of the Goodwood Club are not up to our standards:

• Insufficient seating
• Bar inside meeting area
• Sharing the area with NON members
• The atmosphere is not desirable for a BMW Club 

Trust that the committee will have transparent process in the way forward finding a new meeting venue.

Herewith my suggestions

• Back to the Multi Motor Club
• Oakdale club Bellville
• Vodacom Golf Village - Bellville 

I trust that this request will enjoy your speedy attention 

Hennie Botha

BMW owner since 1974

BMW Club member since 1992

T: 021 946 1300

C: 0833 033 222

E: hennie@kontra.co.za

is that:

1. This is an interim measure until we find the right venue for our club.  The venue needs to be in keeping with the BMW brand, and although the Goodwood Sports Club is great, the first impression a new BMW owner gets when coming to a club meeting is not quite what we are after.
2. We have already paid our dues until the end of the year at the Multi-motor club.  (Yes, this is irrelevant actually)
3. We are looking at a really upscale venue but I daren't mention names because I have no idea whether the party has been approached yet or not.

You can add me to the ever growing list of non-attendees!

Sincerly,

Another slightly annoyed member

Thanks for the information, point taken. Valid argument by Hennie.

Only comment I have: Why was the reason/motivation delayed? It created a lot of unnessary uneasyness amongs our club members.

No more from me, ek het genoeg gepraat.

So it would appear Hennie Botha complained and the Committee made a decision.............makes me more sure of my decision to have sold my bike.........good luck

Oh DAVE to stand on the outskirts for so long with very little input in the last 3 years, to becomming the lone ranger on a mission, supposedly to "Add more fun to the club" Your words.

You are taking the FUN out of the club.

Listen to the members,without them you have no club.

"Absolute power, corrupts absolutely." 

I joined the club just over 4 years ago not knowing what to expect from a motorcycle club , but wow what a blast I’ve had…

I’ve met some really fantastic people, learnt to ride on and off road, ridden breakfast rides through to Geoff Russell’s Lesotho off road trip and everything in between. These people have opened my eyes to a world of adventure I never though was possible.

I’m saddened by how things seem to be turning out, there is a definite undercurrent which doesn’t seem to be coming to the surface?

All I can say is that together with the mates I’ve made we will continue to ride our adventure bikes in the manner which we’ve come to enjoy, bundu bashing, camping, exploring and generally having a jol, with or without the club!

Viva “sand monsters” and “water crossing”, viva

Die enigste rede waarom ek by die BMW club aangesluit het was om nuwe plekke te sien en mense te leer ken.

Ek praat nie namens ander mense nie maar die club gaan vir my nie om BMW se Image of BMW se Standaarde nie. Die club behoort nie aan BMW nie. Ek glo hierdie beginsels moet geskei bly. Dit gaan hier bloot om 'n sentrale punt wat aan al die basiese vereistes voldoen. Klagtes gaan daar altyd wees maar die oplossing le in 'n meerderheids besluit van die lede. Die voorsitter se werk is om die lede se belange te dien deur samewerking met sy komitee..........

Dit sal jammer wees as verandering aan hierdie wenresep lede van die club gaan vervreem en / of die club in privaat groepies gaan verdeel.

Ek is nie besig met 'n aanval op enige persoon of vervaardiger nie. Basiese beginsel  help rigting aandui. 

Om te se wat ek dink kan mos nie verkeerd wees nie.

Ek wens aan almal veiligheid, vrede en voorspoed toe.

Graham - I Love your  comment. I joined two years ago and never in my wildest dreams thought I would meet the amazing people I have. The times I have spent on my bike would only have been a dream without the club.

It truely saddens me to see where this is all going and the most surprising thing of all is that although no less than 6 people have sincerely just asked a question - there is no response. Although one comment that asked for a map seemed to get a response quickly? I feel like this is a case of a "stupid question deserves a stupid answer", are all the above members who seem to be unhappy asking stupid questions which dont warrant any response?

It all seems a little communistic??

Exactly, Megan. My quote in an earlier post is actually from a book about Communism. Quite fitting really. 

Because of crap like this there is a growing division in the club. This is why folks are leaving the club and riding with like minded friends who did not join a club to play political games.

I share the views made by Trevor, Kevin,  Graham,  Mike, Justin...

LET'S RIDE

Het nie krag vir dié k@k nie!

Subscribe  I'm keen to see the outcome of this, I must say I am also somewhat surprised  at such a drastic decision without consulting with the club members, or responding to our questions on exactly who complained and why?

"Finally, a word to everyone who subscribes to this forum.
The members of the BMWMCCC (not only those who were on this tour) form an incredibly wonderful community of which I am both truly fortunate and extremely proud to be a member. We should cherish and jealously protect this 'spirit' since I believe it is the result of hard work of past and present members which could so easily be lost if we take it granted."

The above statement is no less true today than it was back in Nov 2011.
http://www.bmwmccc.org.za/jurg-se-kaya-2011-thanks#comment-46993

This is clearly an emotive issue which will not be resolved by heated words. I respectfully submit that this (forum) is not the correct forum to debate this issue.

I suggest that it be placed - as the sole item, if needs be - on the agenda for the next club meeting. Until then, I urge everyone to exercise a little self-restraint in order to limit the damage we may cause through this medium. We can so easily destroy what may have taken a lifetime to create, nurture and develop!

Let us not throw the baby out with the bath water.  Clearly discussion is needed.

It is difficult to hold down a job and be the club chairmain.  There were no volunteers for the position - Dave was begged to step in.  Please allow him to make mistakes and rather help than shoot the committee down.  We are the same club we were last week, and if some of us get stuck let's all pull together to get ourselves unstuck.

I hear you Cecil, you clearly have leadership qualities.So the question is, where will the meeting be held?If we go back to the old club venue how could we ever go back to the Goodwood Club with out being totally embarrassed.It looks as if the decision has been made for us.

Why does Dave not reply to any of his club members concerns?

Please do not hit me too hard as I bleed easily, whatever I say will be challenged in some way or other. I also have problem with forums as people have a desire to cut your legs off on forums, but will not contact you personally to discuss their views and concerns.

It was not a rush decision to move back to the Multiclub, we had a committee vote some time back who were all in favour of a move. We then looked at alternative, suitable premises which, is not a problem to secure other than the very high costs.  We then decided to move the venue back to the Multi Motorclub as we have paid our fees up to the end of the year, I also discussed the situation with all the roll players and the Goodwood Sports Club. We also have some solutions around the liquor problems which will be disclosed shortly. We can then do a full feasibility study as to our next move. In the interim I have asked a task team to meet with the Multi Club to see if they will upgrade the club house.  

Believe me when I say that it is no easy task being Chairman of the BMW Motorcycle Club. After Warrens term in office I was asked by the committee to stand again which was not a easy decision taking all into account and the big boots I had to fill when Warren Stood down.

However the members who so strongly supported Warren and attended his trips and tours are a group who I feel are not prepared to support the new committee and especially me. This is not an easy pill to swallow and a situation I have no control over. I contacted Warren a while back and he assured me that I have his full support.

We as a committee will be making a few changes and as I have discovered change is never easy to accept.  

I thank all the member for their valued input and trust we can move forward without too much damage. As chairman I need lots of support and input in order to make informed decisions.  

If the club feels that I am not conducting myself in the interest of the Club then please feel free to nominate a new chairman. Alternatively give me a call as I am always available to discuss club matters.

I love the BMW Motorcycle Club and the brand and still feel that I have a lot to offer in the future.

Thanks

Dave

Why should the club suffer because of an idiotic decision? 

It is very clear that the majority of the members are happy with the new venue so why should we have to go backwards?

Dave needs to grow a pair and man up.  If that means having to go back to the Goodwood Sports Club explain himself then so be it.

"However the members who so strongly supported Warren and attended his trips and tours are a group who I feel are not prepared to support the new committee and especially me."

You are obviousely refering to the "Warren and Natalie Club"you so fondly refered to in one of your meetings with Warren and Natalie present.

How condesending and disrespectful of you.Remember respect is earned not taken for granted.

Look back and see what you have done the last 3 years,then look back at how much Warren has done.Thats how you earn respect.

As you can see I am not impressed by your actions.

Trevor I have phoned you a few time today to chat to you without success.

If the truth hurts so be it

Not at all happy with the attack on me, maybe you should stand for Chairman you have my vote. 

I attended my first breakfast ride to Joostenburg beginning of this month(as a non-member/guest) and was looking forward to attending my first monthly meeting and join the club.I now am not so sure anymore and will follow the with interest??

My cell no is 0825539919.Do not have one missed call on my phone.

Apparently not all the comtitee members were in favour but just received an SMS yesterday telling them of the move.

This has nothing to do with taking sides or not this is your own doing so how you could bring Warren into this I am not sure.

I have not been to the GSC but from comments that I have been privvy to, i doubt if I would have enjoyed it.The negative comments were by people that I believe do not get involved in nonsense and have been long standing club members.

from the posting on the forum one cannot make the assumption that the majority of club members are happy with GSC as someone claimed a few posts back.

i doubt very much that Dave would have taken this step without proper consideration and grounds. To attack Dave personally with comments that "absolute power corrupts absolutely" is belitteling towards Dave and says a lot of the person making the statement...

How many of the commitee members were in favour, the majority? And please " apparently" alows one to be loose with facts. If you know for a fact what the outcome of the commitee discussion was, share it with the forum In no apparent way.

agree 100%

Instead of everyone jumping on their horse, lets all go to the next meeting at our old venue where I am sure we get an explanation and we can then all add our 2 cents worth.

We will all be going to a familair venue where we have all had many enjoyable meetings. The only difference is the aclohol the we would need to take with. This is not the end of the world and take a coolerbag and whatever your poison of choice is, and I guarentee it will be a lot cheaper that buying from a bar.

PLease do not forget that the decision to move back is not a one man decision but rather the decision of the committee as the personal attacks need to stop. We all voted for the committee to look after our club interests, so trust that they are looking out for our interests.

Do not forget that the committee members offer their time free of charge and that we all should be thankful that there are members in this club willing to take up positions as committee members and sacrafice their personal time to serve us members.

Well this is my 5 cents worth.

"i doubt very much that Dave would have taken this step without proper consideration and grounds. To attack Dave personally with comments that "absolute power corrupts absolutely" is belitteling towards Dave and says a lot of the person making the statement..." - Tbk 

Tbk, If you scroll back to my comments, not once did I mention Dave's name or direct the comment to him.

Therefore you are making an assumption that I was belittling him and personally attacking him, and the word "assumption" most definitely allows one to be "loose with facts."

Lastly, a single quote cannot denote a person's character (as you quote "says a lot about the person").

I don't think a single quote can say a lot about any person, as that again, would be making an assumption based on a single experience/piece of information and, an accurate judge of character takes into account multiple qualities of the person in question to create a well-balanced viewpoint of them. Which yours, is not.

Please enlighten us to who you referred to when you were quoting communism

and corrupt actions by people with absolute power? It might have been an assumption that I incorrectly made.

Tbk, the quote was made famous in a book which dealt with the idea of communism, I was not "quoting communisum". It is actually a very famous quote and if you would like to know it's origins, please feel free to click on the link below as you do seem to be taking quite an interest in my comment/quote. 

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/absolute-power-corrupts-absolutely.html

When I was writing the quote, I was writing it about the situation that currently seems to be unfolding and was not directing it to one specific person, as I have already told you in my previous post. No names were ever mentioned, and you made a presumption. 

I'm over and out.

I know very well what the quote means and your attempt to brush aside what you meant in the context of the discussion. You must really underestimate me and others who read your post.

I sense a lot of pent up frustration amongst our members.  Must be cabin fever due to winter.  I think we must all just keep calm and go for a ride.  Riding is actually what we are here for.  The rest is just irrelevant detail...

Yes you are correct Charles there is a lot of frustration but unfortunately it is not from a lack of riding. 

This could of been handled very differently.  All we wanted was some questions to be answered.

I understand one member had some issues but the question still remains WHY can we not use the GSC for our meetings even if it is temporary???

I feel as though a lot of people are upset with this whole debacle not because of the venue but more the way the change was handled. As for me, I feel there needs to be a greater sense of transparency from the committee and especially the chairman. It is completely mind-blowing that the club would change venues based on a handful of people’s complaints, there must be an underlying agenda, and there is no other possible reason.
Dave you say you have big shoes to fill, well a lot of us agree and we commend you for taking over the club, but that does not mean making drastic changes within the first three months of being chairman.
So as it stand I completely understand the club is moving to the old venue, but for future sake can the committee bring forward the possible venues and actually hear what members have to say? I mean this club is based on riding and that’s all we really want to do at the end of the day, so having to worry about what next the committee decides to do is very low on my list of importances.
I say all of this not to bash the work the committee has done, but rather to urge them on.