Recent training/track days at Killarney

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Karl Nepgen's picture
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Two “trip reports” have been published recently on the track training days presented at Killarney during July. The first report was by Danie aka Geel Kameel, on the Donford BMW Motorrad Training Day on 8 July, and second by Charles on the Club Track day held on 15 July. Apparently the Trip Report articles cannot be commented on, hence this new topic submission. I am quite curious to see a comparison of the two events, from a rider training/education value adding aspect. The first event was presented as a more formal “training” day by Donford Motorrad, with support from the BMW SA Rider Academy in the person of James McLellan, while the second was in the form of a less formal “track” day presented by our club. I wondered (this directed at our Webmaster) whether is possible to set up a structured opinion poll on this website, to get inputs from the participants at the events in the form of a structured rating? I attended the Donford Training day myself, with the objective to improve my technique and ability for safe, high speed cornering. Given my own expectations as reference, I would rate it as follows: (rating each criterion as “Excellent/Good/Fair/Poor”, with comments if applicable) Reception at venue : Fair - Little regard for punctuality; Late start Training introduction : Good - Very promising program Training theory : Fair - James convincing; Presentation so-so Practical - Basic exercise : Fair - Very basic, too time consuming Practical - Track riding : Poor - Just about no attempt at skills transfer Direct feedback : Poor - No feedback based on individual observation Safety provisions : Good - WPMSA marshalls Training material/handouts : Poor - None Lunch/Coffee & Tea : Excellent Trainer:Trainee ratios : Poor - About 1:20; Out of control Fun factor : Good - Good company, fun activities Overall value for me : Poor Value for sponsor : Good - Lots of publicity for Donford Will I recommend it? : No - Not in this event's form I believe there is sufficient demand for these events, so the idea of doing a local version of the BMW Rider Academy is great. However, in the interest of us the riders (thus BMW clients and supporters) it must not be allowed to be hi-jacked by specific organisations, and standards must be set and monitored by a neutral body. Any other opinions? How did the Club's track day fare?
Cheers, Karl
Charles Oertel's picture
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Hi Karl Thanks for this insightful feedback on the Donfords training day. '''BTW: You ''can'' comment on trip reports - in fact there is very little on this website that stops you from commenting on it. Some intrepid soul has even started a thread on the 'Articles' home page by commenting there instead of starting a forum topic! This system also has a '''Poll''' facility, but ordinary users currently do not have permissions to create polls. I haven't tried it out yet, so had a look at it after your request. It does not seem to allow me to easily construct the rating system you propose (with multiple questions that have multiple responses). The current poll format allows for only one question and a set of responses to it. Perhaps we can think about the most suitable question and possible responses? Or maybe we can have two polls, one for the BMW Club day, and one for Donford's, with the same responses, for e.g: # What was your overall impression of the BMW Club Training Day? ## Waste of time ## I had fun but didn't learn a lot ## I learned quite a lot ## We could have had more formal exercises ## We could have had more unstructured riding and fewer exercises ## ... Then another identical one for Donford. I do agree that when a sales or marketing organisation takes over an event, the promise of what they provide can easily be overshadowed by their shameless advertising and self-serving presentation. Since we are all pretty clever people, we see through this and the organisation does itself more harm than good. kind regards Charles Oertel Website Administrator

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Charles Oertel's picture
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Ok, I created our first poll - it is at: http://bmwmotorcycleclubcape.co.za/polls/track-days On the menu it is in the [http://bmwmotorcycleclubcape.co.za/articles Articles] section, at top of the blue bar on the right. Please let me know your comments (and vote). Comment on the suitability of the poll mechanism too if you like. Website Administrator

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