Archive of BMW Motorrad Club Cape (2006 - 2019)

Hi William I've been on a ride with them... Very nice people. Go you will not be disappointed. I would have joined you but unfortunately I'm familiarising myself with the bike I'm doing my license on next week (24 Jan). Yamaha TW200 I will not take my 650GS again for the test. I'm the one with the `Be My Wife` story ;-) Corné Kloppers 0849130391 ckloppers@gmail.com

The only time a saw somebody riding a HP2 Megamoto was with them :-) Very cool bike! They also leave earlier... 7:30. Be at Hamman fueled and ready to ride by 7:30 latest. Corné Kloppers 0849130391 ckloppers@gmail.com

Where did you see this? (the details of there rides) Kobus --------- Dream like you will live forever, live like you're going to die tomorrow

You can subscribe to their mailing list... http://hammanracing.co.za/mailman/listinfo/outrides_hammanracing.co.za Corné Kloppers 0849130391 ckloppers@gmail.com

The Hamman website is not as `jacked` as this website.. I think we can all AGAIN say thanks to Charles for the GREAT work he puts into this website. Thanks Charles! I most certainly have great fun on the forum and find the interaction very stimulating. Corné Kloppers 0849130391 ckloppers@gmail.com

On the subject of Hamman Why is it that we do not see info/interaction with the club from these guys? We do have I am pleased to say that representation from Donfords & Atlantic. Ignore opinions, heed facts. Feet on the pegs, always.

Sunday ride: Hamman - I got the details on the mailing list == This Sunday we head out on a relaxing ride to Tulbagh for breakfast. Riders will depart from Hamman Motorrad via Du Toitskloof Pass and the spectacular Slanghoek, Wolsley and then Tulbagh where we will enjoy breakfast at Paddagang. After breakfast we will head back as a group via Wellington to Hamman Motorrad. The route will be tar only so all road and dual purpose BMW's are welcome. Pillions are also more than welcome. We look forward to seeing you. Date: Sunday 20 January 2008 Departure: Hamman Motorrad Time: 8:00 am (fueled and ready to ride) Distance: +- 300 km == Corné Kloppers 0849130391 ckloppers@gmail.com

Cheezy, I would also like to know why they do not interact more with the club. Surely we are out of primary school - we should be able to play together. Or am I missing something?

Kom saam Padlangs, ek gaan, dan gesels ons met hulle

The Hamman ride today was great, very relaxed and friendly. Everybody uses their real names, 18 bikes, of which 3 were RT's and 4 were women. Maybe discussions as to why we have seperate rides would have a positive result. Sorry Dave, but are we an Atlantic Motorrad club or a BMW club? The only drama was one of the girls got stung on the neck by a bee while riding, no pharmacies open in Tulbagh on Sundays. Luckily one of the guys had a full medical kit on board. Excellent R45 breakfast at Paddagang. All ride back together, much nicer than seperate. Last weekend I drove home alone via Rooi Els from Houwhoek, not another bike in sight, something to think about.

As opposed to what? Are you aware of anybody not using their real name on club rides? William, I have invited Hamman and Donford to register on our site and have an account that allows them to put events in our events calendar. Last Winter already. We are a BMW Western Cape Club, and show no allegiance to any dealers. However, it is helpful when dealers sponser things for the club, or help with organizing club events, so we will take help from whomever offers it. If a club member runs for office, and happens to be a dealer that can contribute (and we all know that their contribution will enhance their karma and hence their customer base), we are not going to exclude them for fear of offending the other dealers who are not participating. I would love nothing better than having a member from each dealership on the committee, with them all falling over themselves to outdo the others in contributing towards the club.

William, Jane and I had considered going, HOWEVER Rene The Houdini of Garden Work Verhulp aka Cheesy got a hold of us, see Franschoek pass vs Jane. I have purchased at all 3 dealerships, and attended a GS workshop and a track training day at Killarney, both events organised by Donfords(where Jane and I felt most welcome). To Charles' last comment :-);-):-)

William wrote: Everybody uses their real names, Charles wrote: As opposed to what? Are you aware of anybody not using their real name on club rides? Come on Charles, the club is full of people who hide their real names, There are plenty of postings to that effect. I am sorry, I met more REAL people today than on all my club rides. If you want to kick me out for saying so, fine. It took me five rides to figure out who Cheesy was. I still do not know his real name. I must call someone I do not know "cheesy" maybe I am too old fashioned.

William - were you at the dinner last night? MAYBE take the time to ask people their real names, if people want to be known on their nicknames instead of their real names - this makes going on rides with them worse than going on rides with Hamman? I have found that through time you get to know everyone and they get to know you - on every evenign that I have been to where the club is represented I meet someone who I did not know apart from their nickname. This the reason why evening like last night is arranged - and then people do not support it ? On all the meetings that I have been to (and that's a couple) we all adress each other on 1st names. Imagine Atlantic starting to arrange rides themselves instead of organising rides through the club; the question I have is: "Why arrange rides on your own?" Hidden agenda....?? Sensitive issue. Look at AdrianM already on 1st name basis with a lot of people and this only through the net - something is wrong. Keep it SAFE !!

Shame on you for missing this Charles...he he !!! I was surprised to see a lot of the "more regular" members on the site not there last night. Keep it SAFE !!

Anyone have the link to their website to post on the forum? Keep it SAFE !!

William You touched on a number of points: 1) Real names - I use the name Padlangs on the forum just because we have at least 5 Chris'se. Yes, some just write their name and surname. Also, Rene (aka Cheezy) is a Dutchman, thus a "kaas kop". 2)Atlantic or BMW club? When has Dave EVER used his position as chairman to promote Atlantic Motorad? Has he ever pointed out that the stunning gifts that has been handed out at club meetings were donated by Atlantic Motorad? Not many companies that donate "goodies" and do not even get mentioned. Atlantic is also the ONLY dealer that has contributed financially to this forum. And NO dealers have ever been restricted from using this as a platform. As Charles pointed out, they have been invited to use it. 3) Riding back together. We have always had the option to join an extended ride - together. Many have to go directly back, forming their own group. As a matter of fact a number of us did ride back together via Rooi Els. These are the actual facts. NO hard feelings, insults or hints. MANY attempts have been made to get the Hammans more involved in the club. ONLY they can answer why they have not reacted to these invitations. Let's not make any comments on their behalf - they are most welcome to join to club at ANY TIME.

I am sure that this is a sensitive issue that can get resolved. It can and must get resolved. Is it an objective of the committee to resolve it? (or is there in the opinion of the committee no issue). There is a feeling out there that this is an Atlantic club. Now there might be reasons for this ie. they really put a lot of effort in etc. .....but that perception is there. Sorry, I am new around here and do obviously not have all the facts. But at least you know the perception and feeling out there. Do not shoot the messenger. Keep up the good work. (I know what it feels like) Kobus --------- Dream like you will live forever, live like you're going to die tomorrow

Kobus, that is why I made my previous reply. It IS sensitive (so much nonsense in the back ground - that has NOTHING to do with the club). I personally approached John Hamman to ask him to be more active in the club. Dave has gone to speak to Chris and John Hamman. The feedback was positive and we (the committee) hope that Hamman Motorad will also be more active in the club. Let's not forget - ALL three dealers contribute towards Nelson's Creek!! ALSO - remember that Dave only has a few months left as chairman of the club!!! It would be good to see if either Hamman or Donford steps up to the plate. When I started out in the club I thought it was wrong to have a dealer involved in the comitee. Take a GOOD LOOK - WE ARE LUCKY TO HAVE A DEALER AS CHAIRMAN!!! No guesswork, all the latest and correct info directly available. Many "little" things that would have been so much more difficult to get hold of.

Positive response Padlangs. And I like and agree with what you are saying. Kobus --------- Dream like you will live forever, live like you're going to die tomorrow

Hi William, The name Cheesy is actually my nick name which I have carried since a child, by the same token it took me quite some time to meet you and I am pleased that we met,'cause I now know who rides that beautiful red R T. Ignore opinions, heed facts. Feet on the pegs, always.

Johan, Ek het op die link wat Corne gegee het ingegaan en registreer by Hamman. Jy kry 'n mail terug wat se dat jy kan post na outrides@hammanracing.co.za. Ek kry die idee dat dit soos Tracks for Africa werk dat almal wat op die mailing list ingeskryf is die mail gaan kry wat jy gaan stuur. Ek het Vrydag middag ingeskryf, maar nog nie mails gekry nie - neem aan ek is nog te haastig. Hamman se mail: Welcome to the Outrides@hammanracing.co.za mailing list! Please use this list for the purpose it was intended. To let Hamman Racing arrange Outrides. To post to this list, send your email to: outrides@hammanracing.co.za General information about the mailing list is at: http://hammanracing.co.za/mailman/listinfo/outrides_hammanracing.co.za

William, I prefer actual names to forum names, however this way of posting with a site name is merely another convention like driving on a particular side of the road, liking a red rather than a blue bike or m-cycle vs car, road vs off- road bike, as the saying goes "put on slippers rather than try to carpet the world". As for real, Shakespeare said "All the world's a stage, all the men and women merely players..." personality comes from persona meaning mask...another stage name....; All I can do is to try and play along nicely in the great drama of life, I guess. There are differences between my neighbour and I,... so? Between the dealerships yes,.. so? Must all who purchase a BMW join the club, ride with the club, ride on tar, ride off-road?? An ancient prayer went simply "May all be happy, may all be without disease, may all creatures have well being, and none be in misery of any kind. May the club be welcoming to all, friendly to all, and its members move and enjoy freely, even with KTM and Harley riders.:-) Lest I forget Honda too!;-):-)

Nicely put Neil.

It seems that on the odd occasion someone posts a reasonably innocent comment and wham, there's a fairly agressive knee-jerk reaction because of history that we new guys don't understand, until much later in the thread. I'd recommend we be careful of this otherwise it could create a negative aspect to the forum that isn't really called for. I must say I quite enjoy trying to link the names to the nom-de-plume and then to an actual face. Often I've introduced myself as Pete and I'm asked "You mean PeterO?" By the way Charles, about time you came out of the closet and told us you REAL name :-) The same applies to old Pinky, whatsisname Terry something or other. Vision without action is fantasy

Agreed Pete,my personal resistance to nom-de-plume has been turned to a Sherlock Holmes in trying to connect the n-d-p to a name and face,it's fun,....does the owner look like his dog type of question.(and NO I'm NOT going to call myself The Pink Spoon.)It's only a role I take on sometimes. I look on the Forum as having 2 roles a more serious side,to disseminate help, advice ect and a lighter side which is even better than a morning cuppa!!

Hi all. Havent had much time to post so far this year, and I honestly have to admit I to have been trying to get my mind around certain issues. Started this thread last year to help with the nickname to face thingamabob. Are you here? http://www.bmwmotorcycleclubcape.co.za/expose-yourself p.s. I think Neil should forthwith be known as the Pink Panther. Guess who? I RIDE THEREFORE I AM!

Hi Peter Noms-de-plume are a way of protecting your identity too. Right now I am being harassed by an individual from the forum who resents my banning him for posting links to brokeback pr0n sites. He has looked up my address, sent me abusive email and been to my house - he defaced the lamppost in front of our gate with his 'tag'. He is also on the forum right now, under what appears to be a real name, divulging all sorts of information about himself that is false, while members of this forum are falling over themselves to welcome him even though he has insulted us and BMW riders in general on several occasions under other names. There is only one person that has ever been banned from the forum (several times too because in spite of telling us BMW riders think their f.rts smell like Este Lauder he keeps signing up under a new name). I am pretty easy going in these matters, and welcome free speech and freedom of opinion. However, the web is forever, and false impressions about who we are and what we stand for need to be challenged and corrected. The people in this club are great. In fact, almost everybody I have met since getting my bike has been great - the Offroad Adventure Club guys come to mind too. Just because someone met some people on the Hamman outride without knowing whether they were on the forum or not doesn't mean that being on our forum is bad. kind regards Charles

Good on you Charles (no I'm not an Aussie so don't ban me!!!)for hanging in there with all the nutters and negative people. The fact that this site is so addictive is certainly indicates a winning formula and is a compliment to your efforts. As far as privacy is concerned, I like Freak's idea of transparency, after all it is a club. Kick the nutters out, report the lunatic/criminal types to the cops and remain supportive as a group towards each other. My brother-in-law, who is a vet and therefore doesn't have the problem of dealing with mental patients as it appears we do on the forum, once said to that in life all groups are like clubs, whether it is a country, a job, a relationship, whatever; and the message is if you don't like the rules, join another club. (Of course we should accept that FEMALES tend towards the lunatic fringe but I vote we make an exception in their case or our budgets for toys tends to drop. Good job no females read the forum). You certainly have popular support, don't let them get you down! Vision without action is fantasy

Charles, ban the people that is wasting the time of people that is serious about the forum. If they stay in the club a air of suspicion of new members may be created. For example I have my suspision of who you are talking about and I think I posted in the thread that I "think" you are talking about. What if I am wrong? That is unfair to an ligitimate new member that asks to be welcomed.

Pete if only ladies would realise and ackowlege the intelligence of men.We buy 4x4 for shopping around town,afer all this IS Africa,remove those ridiculious wheels the manufacturer fits and replace them with decent mag wheels which they ought to have fitted in the first place!,at the same time fitting a stereo system capable of playing for at least 4 blocks distant,spend 2hrs plotting and programming a GPS to visit friends you've visited before and then carefully following the GPS, getting lost, refuse to ask for directions awaiting the rise of our superiour intelligence.We also use it to type comments such as these.

I would like to respond in two ways to some of the things said in this thread. 1) Hamman's Motorrad: They are as welcome as anybody else to actively take part in this BMW "Club" Forum as are Donford Motorrad. It is both of their choices to boycott our Forum for whatever the reasons are. It is a pity because the Club would be much richer if they took a more active roll in the Club and its activities. 2) The use of aliasas on all Forums is frustrating to me especially on the Clubs one as it makes extra work when people book for outings and you have to play Inspector Cluseaux to work out who the heck you are dealing with. I would love to use my name but for some reason the Club website will not allow me to.....!!

Truth is, no one is forced to belong to the club, the forum or to do any of the rides. Publishing one's personal detail is subject to individual preference. If we have nothing positive to say, lets say nothing at all... Doing something, anything... is better than doing buggerall. Lets earn the right to influence by geting involved, going to club meets and if we're brave enough, volunteering to contribute.. "Four wheels move the body, two wheels move the soul"

WELL SAID MIKE !!!!! Keep it SAFE !!